Do you actually believe the title of this blog? It is true; maybe not today, but back in 1952 that is what Planned Parenthood proclaimed. What really confuses me is the fact that we know so much more about human embryology today then back in 1952 and yet Planned Parenthood seem to be going backwards in the Science department. Here are some scans of the Planned Parenthood pamphlets:
Planned Parenthood Pamphlet
Here is a close up, read carefully what they are saying. You would even confuse them for a pro-life organization in this with quote.
Planned Parenthood Pamphlet
Seriously people, even the god of the pro-abortion movement at one time knew that killing a baby in the womb was murder. I would dare to say they still do know this truth, however if they still admitted it they would lose millions of dollars. They knew abortion was dangerous to a women’s health and could endanger women from ever having babies again. Planned Parenthood wrote and amazing brochure back in 1952 and I wish they would re-release it.
I want to make billboards out of this quote and put them up outside of every Planned Parenthood in the country. Thanks to Live Action for finding these photos.
Bryan Kemper
[HT Live Action]
billboards would be ideal
it also says “birth control can not harm you in any way”. wow…they were way off about that one…..
WOW. uh did you also see a little further down where it says… BIRTH CONTROL CANNOT HURT YOU IN ANY WAY?! dude. LIES.
just google: the pill kills
and you find out just HOW harmful it can be.
BAH . i’m glad their is ONE THING true in this pamphlet…that abortion kills babies. THANKS BRYAN and LIVE ACTION!
hhaha danielle … we think alike.
Anyone notice the abortion is “dangerous to your life and health” bit?
billboards would be awesome. i’d support this effort!!
Wow, I didn’t think I would ever see anyone admit it, but it’s really true. Anti-abortion activists really DO want us all to go back to 1952 — when abortion was illegal, women stayed home and spit out babies and cooked and cleaned.
I guess I can see the attractiveness — far less opposition to legal moves that infringed on personal rights and privacy. Very little challenge to a bunch of white men getting together and deciding for women what they can do with their bodies. And, of course, no Roe v. Wade.
Thanks for this post. It’s really good to know where you stand.
No, Violet — it’s not about that at all.
The language is different today. Pro-choice supporters deny personhood in the womb. The verbiage in the pamphlet above contradicts what Planned Parenthood purports today. It’s plain and simple.
The author, Bryan Kemper, did not communicate one thing about women returning to life as homemakers, spitting out babies and cooking and cleaning…
@violet
“far less opposition to legal moves that infringed on personal rights and privacy. Very little challenge to a bunch of white men getting together and deciding for women what they can do with their bodies.”
check out the “puerto rico pill trials”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/pill/peopleevents/e_puertorico.html
and see how they did JUST THAT ( infringed on personal rights )
to institute the birth control pill…
So by trying to make the pill available to all,
women were told to take the birth control pills
which in turn may have caused the DEATH of 3 of them
and they also “dismissed” concerning side effects… hmmm
doesn’t really sound pro-woman at all… more like pro-money…
sounds like another organization we all know…
Yup, that’s exactly the kind of thing I was talking about — that’s the stuff we would get if we went back to 1952-era policies and practices.
And if you’re referring to Planned Parenthood, please refer to the post above that details why the conventional “wisdom” that paints Planned Parenthood as “abortion mills” focused on making as much money as they can from abortions is just flat-out wrong.
Sorry, just realized that comment I refer to was posted on another entry, so I’ll repeat it here:
Planned Parenthood is frequently characterized as an “abortion mill” that does everything it can to make women have abortions so that they can make money. That is about as far as you can get from the truth.
In 2007, the most recent numbers currently available, Planned Parenthood performed 10,921,825 services/procedures/exams. Of those, only 305,310 were classified as “abortion services” — which make up only 2.7% of the services that they provided that year. In 2006, the numbers were almost identical, with 289,750 “abortion services” out of 10,588,360 services/procedures/exams, which also comes out to 2.7% of all services provided.
The other 97.3% of the services that Planned Parenthood provides include cancer screening, vaccination, prenatal care, HIV and STD testing, family planning, vasectomies, and tubal ligations. They also provide basic medical care for many men and women who have limited access to health care services. 36% of Planned Parenthood’s services were related to contraception — over ten times that amount of abortion services — showing that they’ve spent far more time and resources preventing unwanted pregnancies than terminating them.
As far as income, only about a third of Planned Parenthood’s income is derived from their health centers. According to the most recently available annual report, they actually spend nearly twice as much providing medical services as they bring in through the health centers — bringing in $374 million in health center income, yet providing those services costs them more than $635 million. Only through donations and grants are they able to operate the health centers at all.
If Planned Parenthood truly had the goals they are accused of — doing as many abortions as they can; deceiving women and talking them out of options like adoption; using methods like RU486 with which a small percentage of women will require a subsequent surgical abortion, in order to increase profits — a person would expect to see far, far different numbers. Abortion would presumably make up a much larger percentage of the services they provide, and they would also presumably be making more than they spend in operating the health centers.
Much of the standard pro-life wisdom regarding Planned Parenthood is blatantly false. Especially the idea that they make any money at all off abortions, something that is shockingly easy to disprove.
You can see the report as well as their tax filings here:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PPFA_FY09_Form_990_Copy_for_Public_Inspection.PDF
Violet – the truth is that abortion kills a LIVING person. Planned Parenthood realized it back in 1952. If it was true then (and it was), it’s still true today.
Even if Planned Parenthood made NO money from abortions…even if that was true…I would still not support them at ALL. The fact is that they still do abortions…and MANY of them. Abortions take the life of a living person. Abortions are wrong. Therefore Planned Parenthood can in no way be supported.
I have no illusions that I can change the mind of anyone who comments here — my intention with posting the Planned Parenthood financial information was simply to show that the idea they make a tremendous profit from abortions is false. I don’t expect those facts to make you support them or condone what they do.
Let’s try it this way: “Abortion kills the life of a Ted Bundy after it has begun.” For you younger whippersnappers out there, Bundy remembered killing at least 35 young women, and he might have killed up to 26 more. Obviously, if the fetal Ted Bundy had been aborted, 65 women would be alive today.
The radical conclusion to be drawn from this is: a baby isn’t human until somebody decides to make it so. Admit it: there are neighborhoods even in the US where you will not go because of the reputation they have for containing inhuman residents. Further proof is the existence and nature of feral children– there is enough literature on them to show conclusively that the only humanlike characteristic about them is their physical appearance. When brought into human society, they have to be trained to behave like humans.
The above makes the work of so-called “pro-lifers” extremely difficult, since the next “unborn baby” they rescue could be the next Ted Bundy. However, the good thing is society hasn’t noticed! A far greater number of “rescued” babies are likely to suffer the fates of all the children coming out of the Baby Store (check the site), but why worry your plm’s about that?
Actually, none of that makes what pro-lifers do any harder. Every life is precious. Every life is a gift from God. Let’s look at a few simple analogies.
There is a woman who has 4 children. 1 is deaf, 2 are blind, and 1 has cerebral pulsy. She is pregnant with a fifth child. Odds are that child is going to have even worse problems than his or her siblings. Would you tell that woman she should have an abortation?
Or how about a family that is poor, can barely afford to feed the 2 children they already have, and are expecting a third? Would you say they should abort their baby because they do not have enough money to take care of them?
One more. Poor farming family from Scotland. Already have 2 kids with a third on the way. Their is no way they can afford to feed another child. Would you recommend that they abort their baby?
If you said ‘Yes’ to these questions, you just killed Mozart, Sergeant York, and Alexander Fleming.
You see, it is very easy to say who should and who shouldn’t be aborted AFTER you know what kind of person they will be. But when a child is still inside the womb and you have no idea what they are going to be, how can you say they should be aborted? You can’t. Before he was born, you wouldn’t have known if Ted Bundy was going to be a serial killer or the man that cured cancer. Every baby that is aborted is one less possibility to change the world.
Yes, Caleb. I agree with you 100%. The argument the gentleman or woman used above is baseless. And using “feral children” to make a point is a little out there. Feral children such as “Genie” from California was a victim of severe child abuse and neglect. And “Victor” the other feral child I’ve heard of was abandoned by his parents. I think it’s quite sick to use the nature of these children after they were found to prove a child in the womb is not a human being.
Further, the argument that person made regarding the mental and cognitive state of feral children reaffirms for me why love matters.
Caleb,
The thing about being pro-choice is that in any of the situations you describe, or in any situation, I would never tell those women what choices they should make. If they want to have another child even though that child will have disabilities, I support it. If they want to have another child even though they don’t have the financial resources, I support it. If they want to give up their child for adoption, I support it. And if they choose abortion, I support that, too.
Being pro-choice is not about telling women they should terminate their pregnancies. It’s not about deciding “who should and who shouldn’t be aborted”. It’s about supporting the right of all women to make their own reproductive choices for themselves, without fear or pressure or having to risk their lives. Reproductive choice is not limited to whether to give a baby up for adoption, have an abortion, or keep the baby — it also includes contraception, the right to insist that partners use contraception, the right to choose the method of contraception or no method at all. If one woman chooses birth control pills and another chooses Natural Family Planning, I support them both equally. I would never presume to know what is right for either of them.
Every day I see “pro-choice” painted as “pro-abortion” by people who call themselves “pro-life”. But we are not the ones trying to tell women which choices they should make, we are not the ones trying to force our ideology on women. We are the ones standing up for every woman and her right to make her own reproductive choices, instead of trying to limit those rights and those choices.
Violet
To violet, Your words first:
“Every day I see “pro-choice” painted as “pro-abortion” by people who call themselves “pro-life”. But we are not the ones trying to tell women which choices they should make, we are not the ones trying to force our ideology on women. We are the ones standing up for every woman and her right to make her own reproductive choices, instead of trying to limit those rights and those choices.”
My turn:
And every day I see “pro-life” painted as “anti-women” by those who consider themselves “pro-choice.” And while I agree that standing up for women’s lives are just as important, who’s going to stand up for the life inside the women who’s currently judge, jury, and executioner? Pro-life stand up for the lives of every living being, black, white, asian, male, female, old, young, or even still residing in the womb. We do not wish to limit choice, but to express our love for all life, because every single one of them is valuable in one way or another.
Wow… what crazy rants you have gone into. Ted Bundy? Feral children? What was your argument? So by your reasoning we should just kill all unborn children… (just in case) they become serial killers? or feral children? What is wrong with you? I don’t know if you haven’t noticed, but most of us don’t go around killing people… on the other hand, pro-aborts condone and even support that (let’s not forget!) So who is the one who is really supporting killers? like abortionists, those are the real serial killers. More than one million children are killed in the womb by abortionists every year… just in the U.S. What excuses them? Planned Parenthood will tell you that it is “choice” and “women’s rights”… and that is nonsense! They only care about the money and by the way, it happens to be millions of it. So it is a sad, sad irony that you talk about serial killers and go into random tangents. When it is your side that kills… by the millions. How very typical of a pro-abort to try to change the subject. Face it, abortion is plainly and simply put: MURDER… and the worst crime I could possibly think of! It is selfish beyond belief, violent, horrifying, disgusting, the most unjust and cowardly act… words cannot express the violence and horror of it.
We were all humans since conception, we had our own DNA, blood type, hair/eye color and everything else blue printed. We are human beings, and each of us (no matter our race, nationality, creed, mental/physical capacity, etc…) is created equal, we are not “blobs” in the womb like many would like to believe in order to shield themselves and their bloody actions. How is it possible that with all the medical technology, all the knowledge that we possess in modern society some people still convince themselves that abortion is right because it is legal. Slavery was legal once too, but it wasn’t right. Not because something is legal does it make it right. We are killing humanity in the name of “choice”… how terrifying, what does our future hold for us if we continue down this path? Nothing… because we are destroying our future, our children. I will certainly not stand idly by and do nothing about it, I am a pro-lifer and I will intervene in the face of injustice to help born and unborn and that’s what pro-lifers do. We don’t have an agenda, we don’t stand to make money or become famous, it’s pretty simple, we stand for life and truth. What would have happened during WWII if no one had stood up to the Nazis? I suppose it is your “choice” to stand with friends of Planned Parenthood with the eugenic- Nazi like thinking of Margaret Sanger. Women need love and care, not abortions… Abortion is the opposite of love. Truth will prevail in the end.
I read this same information a few days ago somewhere else. Unfortunately it’s not shocking, people were more responsible in 1952, God played a big role in most people’s lives, and 11 yr-olds weren’t out having sex because they were too busy playing games. Times have changed. Planned Parenthood used to be about what it’s name implies it’s about, they should change the name.
I’d just like to point out that just because God is in someone’s life does not make them responsible, or moral. Every day people who have strong faith in God are abusing and molesting children, committing murder, using drugs, physically and sexually assaulting women (and men), and doing everything that we think of as some of the worst acts of humans. Belief in God, church attendance, understanding of the Bible, charity work, even a position as priest or pastor does not guarantee that a person is good or not engaging in these kinds of behaviours.
In 1952, the same things we associate with modern immorality — teen pregnancy, rape, sexual and physical abuse, for example — were still happening. The difference was that they were never talked about publicly. Teens who got pregnant were sent out of the country for abortions or to homes for unwed mothers until they had their babies and gave them up for adoption. Women who were sexually assaulted often did not report it and did not tell anyone. Because child sexual abuse was never spoken about, children being abused often thought that their experiences were normal, or at very least that it was their own fault it was happening, and telling anyone what was going on would mean admitting their own shame.
Today these subjects are talked about openly, we educate our children about protecting themselves from sexual abuse, we teach self defense and tactics to women to protect themselves, and there is far more support for women who report rape and assault. Improved forensics mean we have a much greater chance of catching perpetrators, and police are better educated on how to handle victims with sensitivity.
And as far as Planned Parenthood, 36% of their services are related to contraception — which is instrumental in allowing families to plan when they have children. Their services allow millions of men and women to make responsible decisions about when to become parents and when it’s better to wait. Seems to me like they are doing a pretty good job of living up to their name.
Violet you have dodged the statement so well, you are one of the best rabbit trail starters I have ever seen.
Planned Parenthood themselves admitted that abortion kills a baby. They admitted that it is dangerous to women and can cause sterility.
This is directly out of the mouths of Planned Parenthood.
Try and stay on topic this time, I know it is hard for you but give it a try.
Bryan
Violet,
For some reason, I cannot comment directly on your earlier post to mine about what being pro-choice really means. So I am going to put it here.
Where does someone’s right to choose end and the need to protect the choice of the unborn baby begin? If I choose to pick up a gun and shoot someone in the head, would that be wrong? Of course it would be. Why? Because I took the life of a living, breathing, sovereign being. But, hey, it was my CHOICE.
How about if I was a mother and I shot and killed my baby within an hour of it being born? Would that be murder? I just decided to abort the baby after it was born. I really didn’t want to take care of or give it up for adaoption. But that is simply my CHOICE.
So I ask again, at what point does it become about protecting the choices of the baby-choices they will make in the future?
How can you call yourself ‘pro-choice’ when you are willing to allow 4400 babies a day in America to lose their right to choose anything, ever?
Wow. Someone should show this to the Planned Parenthood organization and see what they have to say about this…
To Violet or Iamsteel – Whatever name you are using today.
When I wrote a response to the election of Barack Obama in which I referred to him as “pro-abortion”. Some people wrote back to tell me that I was hateful for calling him this or that I was wrong; you claimed that he is pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Some even said that he is pro-life and wants to do everything he can to reduce abortions.
Before I get into what his agenda is and why I stand by my words about his position, I want to tackle the pro-abortion or pro-choice argument or “rhetoric”, which is what this really is about.
The rhetoric war has been won for the most part by what I call the pro-abortion movement. They have themselves adopted the term pro-choice because it sounds a lot nicer than pro-abortion. I have often wondered why they have not changed another term that they use to describe themselves, “abortion rights advocates”. If they are pro-choice and not pro-abortion then why not refer to themselves as “choice rights advocates”?
Let’s break down the words and examine what they mean. “Pro” obviously means that you are in support of something. Pro-gun, pro-gay rights, pro-life, pro-union; these are all terms that describe something you support. Why is it then that the term pro-abortion is not used proudly?
The term “pro-choice” should really embody all of the “pro” stances on every issue; it shouldn’t just define one issue. When someone refers to themselves as pro-choice, what choice are they referring to? Abortion. So what they are saying is that they believe it is fine for someone to obtain an abortion, which makes them pro-abortion. If you believe people have the right to form and join unions even if you would never join one, you are pro-union. Would you be angry that someone referred to you as pro-union? Would you say I just believe in the choice to join a union, but I am not pro-union? Of course not.
The use of the word choice shows that it is all about the stigma of being called pro-abortion; is there a stigma if there is nothing wrong with abortion? Why would people be so opposed to being referred to as pro-abortion if abortion is perfectly acceptable?
To answer that we have to determine what abortion is. Is abortion simply the termination of a pregnancy? Is abortion just a medical procedure that removes unwanted cell masses from your body, like liposuction?
The answer to those questions is a resounding no. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, but what is a pregnancy? The Random House dictionary definition of pregnant reads: having a child or other offspring developing in the body; with child or young, as a woman or female mammal. The Cambridge Dictionary reads: of a woman and some female animals having young developing inside the womb.
Abortion is the termination or killing of a developing human person in the early stages of their life. It is that simple. We can try and sanitize it with words or phrases but that does not change what it is.
There are a lot of things that are unpleasant that people or organizations try to make less appalling by changing the words used to describe them. As a parent I am guilty of this myself. When my children need to defecate I do not use that term; I say “go potty”. Does this change the fact that they are defecating? No, it just makes it sound less gross and nasty.
That is why the pro-abortion movement wants to be referred to as pro-choice, not pro-abortion; abortion carries a stigma that they don’t want to be identified with. The difference is that there is nothing wrong with defecating; it is natural and how our bodies were created to work. There is, however, something wrong with abortion; it is un-natural and destroys one of the natural functions of a woman’s body.
We should not give into the sanitization of abortion; it needs to be exposed for what it is. We should not allow rhetoric to define how we describe an evil like the killing of innocent human persons.
I have often heard people say that they would love to see abortion reduced or minimized. Why? If there is nothing immoral or wrong about abortion then why would we care how many people had them? Why would we want to reduce something that is perfectly ok? If you want to reduce them then you must think there is something wrong with them; what is it that is wrong?
This is one of the ways that Barack Obama has tried to characterize himself to people. He tries to sound like he is not the pro-abortion advocate that he really is. His own words and record contradict that; what he will do as President will be dangerous and devastating to this nation and the world.
In the first week we heard that he was reversing lifesaving Executive Orders that will result in the destruction of human life worldwide. He reversed the Mexico City Policy which blocks the US Government from giving money to organizations who provide abortion in other countries. We are now paying for abortions overseas with our tax dollars. He opened up the funding of destruction of human embryos for research paid for with your tax dollars.
This is just the beginning of the destruction of human life that has been and will continue to be championed by Barack Obama. During the primary season he spoke at a Planned Parenthood event and promised them that he one of the first things he would do as President is sign the FOCA bill into law. The Freedom of Choice Act will wipe out all restrictions on abortion in this country. There will be no more parental notification, no restrictions whatsoever including the Partial Birth Abortion Ban and an increase in federal funding of abortion.
And now he wants to ram a so called “health care” bill down the throats of Americans who don’t want it, and it will open more flood gates to federally funded child killing no matter how much Nancy Pelosi lies to us about it.
How can you say you want to reduce abortions, and wipe out every restriction there is, and fund abortion in the US and other countries with US tax dollars? The pro-life movement and, more importantly, the sanctity of human life will be set back over 30 years once Barack Obama takes the Office of President.
I have been told that speaking negatively about the President is hateful and disrespectful. I have been told that I need to support our new President and just pray for him. I agree that we need to pray for him, and pray hard. I however disagree that pointing out the truth of what he plans to do, and has promised to do is hateful in any way. I would even argue that silence would be hateful; apathy and acceptance of his plans would be disrespectful to those whose lives are in jeopardy.
I know that God is still on the throne and He is sovereign. I know that God is not worried, panicking or hiding in a corner in fear. I know that He is still our King and our only hope is in His Son, Jesus.
I also know that He commands us to “ love our neighbor as ourselves ” (Luke 10:27). When our neighbors are dying by the thousands every day in this nation, we have an obligation to stand up and fight for their lives. God calls us to “ rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter ” (Proverbs 24:11).
I will not cheapen the sanctity of life or sanitize the pro-abortion movement by using the term pro-choice. I will not sit quietly by as my brothers and sisters are being slaughtered in abortion mills every day. I will pray for, but not support, our President as he opens the floodgates and destroys all regulations and restrictions against the killing of innocent children.
Logic 101
A fetus is a human being.
Killing a human being is wrong.
Abortion is killing a human being.
Abortion is wrong.
To say you are pro-choice but not pro-abortion, is simply illogical.
For Christ I stand,
Bryan Kemper
Brian,
I’ve explained my position at length. I’m not sure whether you’re just not reading what I’m writing, or choosing to ignore my statements and insert your own instead. Let me make this simple.
The “choice” in “pro-choice” does not “refer to abortion”, as you stated. “Choice” refers to “reproductive choice”, and “reproductive choice” refers to ALL reproductive choices. “Pro-reproductive-choice” is a clearer way to phrase our position. If you talk to people who call themselves pro-choice, there are a surprising number who don’t think abortion is right, and who hold similar personal views to you, Bryan, and others who have commented here. But they also recognize that they do not have the right to impose their beliefs and opinions on others, particularly when it comes to women’s choices regarding what happens to and in their own bodies.
I can see how people may mistake supporting reproductive choice with supporting abortion, as abortion is currently the one choice that is constantly under assault. Supporting abortion rights is the most visible activity of the pro-choice movement. But just because we believe abortion should be one of the options available to women does not mean we think it’s right, or would choose it for ourselves. We believe simply that it’s not our choice to make.
Being pro-choice means supporting things I disagree with. I spoke recently with a woman who was Catholic and had five children with her husband. Each pregnancy and birth was more complicated and dangerous than the last, and she had been told by her doctor that another one could easily kill her. The doctor strongly suggested that she start birth control, but because of her faith, she and her husband continued what they had done for years and used Natural Family Planning to avoid pregnancy. She told me that if she got pregnant, it was God’s will, and she would accept the challenge.
I thought about her five young children and her husband, and wondered how they would get by without her if she didn’t make it through the pregnancy, or died during labor. NFP, when used correctly, can have a high rate of success at preventing unwanted pregnancy. But there is a certain amount of risk involved, in avoiding human error, in calculating and measuring things correctly. If I were in her position, wanting to stay alive for my family, and setting aside the issue of faith, it’s not a risk I would take, and I fear for her. But I am pro-choice, and that means I support and respect her right to make her own reproductive choices. There’s no way I can know better than she does the factors involved, or how good she and her husband are at sticking to NFP.
The cornerstone of being pro-choice has nothing to do with abortion. It is the fact that our personal opinions only matter when making reproductive choices for our own bodies. And if I want to have the right to make those choices for myself, I have to fight for the right of all women to make their own choices too, even if I don’t agree with the choices they make.
I don’t expect you and I to ever see eye to eye. But I respect your opinion, and I wish you could do me the courtesy of at least trying to understand mine, rather than assuming you know what my thoughts and feelings are.
Violet
Hi, Violet — I just have one question as I am learning more and more about women and men with a “pro-reproductive choice” dais. What does abortion have to do with “pro-reproductive choice” since the baby has already been produced?
You probably know that reproduction means the enabling or production of new offspring or individuals. So when you state that ‘“Choice” refers to “reproductive choice”, and “reproductive choice” refers to ALL reproductive choices”‘ just what is “pro-reproductive” about an abortion procedure? Seems like an oxymoron. You know like when two words of contradictory meaning are used together for special effect. “Legal Murder” is another I can think of…
At the moment of conception a baby has already been produced. And you still haven’t answered Caleb’s or Bryan’s question — “How can you call yourself ‘pro-choice’ (or insert: ‘pro-reproductive choice’) when you are willing to allow 4400 babies a day in America to lose their right to choose anything, ever?” and “If you want to reduce them then you must think there is something wrong with them; what is it that is wrong?”
~angel~
@violet
“they also recognize that they do not have the right to impose their beliefs and opinions on others, particularly when it comes to women’s choices regarding what happens to and in their own bodies.”
We live in a world a rules, you can’t run around the public streets naked, you can’t be walking around downtown with a bottle of rum, you can have sex in public areas, you can’t even LEGALLY have sex with your 18 year old boyfriend if you are 16. EVERYDAY the US JUDICIAL SYSTEM restricts 16 year olds bodies BY LAW because they cannot LEGALLY have sex with their 18 year old boyfriend. THEY ARE TONS of laws like this that restrict our physical body and our intellectual choices …
Not only that but when you said people who are prochoice may not be
for abortion they just don’t want to tell people how to think…
well if NO ONE was told what is wrong/right what the hell type of world would we live in? EVERYDAY we are told what we can or cannot do… everyday we are told this by laws, laws restricting us from doing WHAT EVER THE HELL WE WANT TO, and laws… were enforced and put into place by People. People who chose FOR YOU AND I what THEY think is right/wrong.
It doesn’t surprise me that abortion is legal-that every jane, jill and terry are on birth control pills. This is another way that the GOV….controls US/ the population and especially “certain” groups to multiply… When will we be able to live and choose ANYTHING we want ….well we can’t LEGALLY…ever.
Completely agreed!
(with Bryan)
Bryan, very well stated. Two of your points especially: 1) the “pro-union” example. 2) why would you want to see abortions reduced or minimized if there is nothing wrong about it? Very, very simple logic…awesome!
Oh, and billboards–GREAT idea! Pretty hard to refute when it’s in letters several feet high
Violet, if you paste my name into your browser and have QuickTime, you can view “pro-lifers” at a demonstration revealing how little they care for real human life at the same time they are demonstrating to save “unborn humans.” The underlying fact of the movement is that this is so for at least 98% of them. One would think they would have higher rates of adoption, community service for children of all ages, etc., but they’re no different than the rest of Americans in that regard. Yet they feel compelled to make others have the babies they won’t care for! Why is this?
I call it “pro-life syndrome:” the closer it gets to them, the less sacred human life becomes. Caleb in an early post provides a clue– he lists all these “defective” children he thinks I would murder, but whom he will “save.” He’s a rescuer. Why such a non-rescuing “rescuer,” though? If you check around that blog, you’ll perhaps understand what aborticentrism is and why it impels the “pro-life” movement.
First off, you have no idea who I am or what I do to help rescue unborn children.
Second, you are simply trying to derail the conversation at hand by redirecting it. I assure you, this will not succeed.
Hi, Caleb (and Bryan)– go on and read Mr. Gregory’s blog. His link did not load, so I did a quick internet search. Trust me.
Well, Caleb, I have dealt with so many “pro-lifers” that I feel confident you match the profile. Since your dialogue is mainstream “pro-life,” I can safely assume a few things about you. Unlike me:
1. You have not raised a child by yourself.
2. You have not volunteered 600 hours of your free time annually for decades working one-on-one with children whose parents couldn’t or wouldn’t do it themselves, as a Big Brother, public school classroom volunteer, a staff instructor for the local parent-child center’s parenting program, a volunteer with the juvenile offender court alternative program, and the local recreation department’s kids’ sports programs.
3. Nor have you spent 8% of your gross annual income directly to help those families meet their children’s needs.
4. Nor have you pledged, as I have, to raise to adulthood every “unborn human” I want “rescued.”
5. You are raising no children you don’t want to.
As for the charge of “derailing the conversation,” you are SO right! “Pro-lifers” need to keep abortion demonized in order to win, so it’s very important you not let it get de-railed.
But what happens if people lose their focus on abortion and start focusing on why “pro-lifers” consider their job done at the door to the delivery room? This is why it’s very important for you to not let me sidetrack your agenda. I’m just a guy who’s cared for unwanted babies, but you’re a smart cookie!
Mr. Gregory,
I have a simple question. I can’t assume to know exactly what it is you do, but based on the comment above you seem to be a very busy person. Do you look at all the unwanted children you help and think they should have been aborted?
~angel~
Angelmother, you are the first! I am honored…
angelmother, I have had a lot of time to do all the things I listed. I am probably twice your age (I was in college when Kennedy was shot) and have been working with families and children professionally since 1983 and as a volunteer since 1978, mostly because everybody in the field thought a single father had to like children (I didn’t).
My 32-year tour of duty with needy children comes to an end Saturday when the paraplegic I’ve been buddy to for the last three and a half years moves out of state. The last I heard, Big Brothers had a waiting list of “only 84″ kids, but I can’t hear as well as I used to, among other things, so it’s time to let the torch fall. I just wish there were other hands out there to catch it… And there aren’t.
The main reason I got into all of this was not because I was a single father, but because I wasn’t a very good one. When my son was 12, I discovered a core truth about the dynamics of my own upbringing and how badly it had affected my ability to be a good father. The next five years were makeup work, fortunately not too little, too late, but almost so. After he graduated, I realized I had all these skills that would work well with kids, and I put them to use, less out of Christian charity than in expiation for my sins in fathering. I might get to heaven yet.
But when I consider how easy it was for me to take twelve hours a week and set aside ten or twenty bucks to give kids a chance to see a bigger, more hopeful world, it galls me to encounter people who think that just because they have persuaded someone else to bear a child, they’ve done something really great. To me, it smacks of self-delusion. ( They ought to ride to the latest Disney film with an eleven-year-old who’s fantasizing graphically about butchering his eight-year-old brother, whose stepfather wants him dead and whose mother refuses counseling.)
But that’s an unfair characterization of you perhaps, and I’m really frustrated at my unprofessional style in the blog. The stye is very angry, but what I discuss there is quite serious– people who REALLY NEED to “rescue” a victim under certain very stringent conditions! It’s important to them. And they cannot afford to compromise their stand, because it destroys their ability to get what they need. The way I write just turns people off. But that’s how I get what I need; you know the feeling.
Mr. Gregory,
Although I do not sense the anticipation of beginning a new era in your life, congratulations on your retirement. Seems you’ve done a lot with your life to help children less fortunate. And you made things right with your son. Parenting is a very hard job for anyone. I believe we’ll meet in heaven if you understand John 3:16-21.
I cannot speak for every pro-life person, but I will speak for me. I believe to my core that human development begins at conception. I believe that a baby deserves a chance, and I believe that the mother deserves an opportunity to raise that child she conceived or choose adoption. I wish that my sister-in-law had confidence in me that I would have helped her get through her pregnancy before she chose abortion.
Your argument seems to be that pro-lifers by their “rescuing potential abortion victims” could be saving future monsters like Ted Bundy or Aileen Wuornos. I can argue that these two individuals were not born serial killers. Feral children were not born “feral”. And how is a down syndrome child much different than a typical child? I can argue that they are more alike than different. All children in my eyes are born with an inherent need for security, for significance, and for strength. It is a dark world we live in and we are not guaranteed an easy life. But as a Christian, I cannot accept the abortion of a baby. When a woman’s baby is aborted, it is the destruction of life and the natural process occurring within her womb.
I ask this with all sincerity; if you did not spend half your life wishing your own mother had aborted you, do you think you’d feel differently about the people like me who fight to end abortion? Someone like me could “rescue” a baby like you. Sir, I think it’s a worthy fight.
Blessings,
Angel
Oh, I forgot to answer your core question: No, I never thought they should have been aborted. I have spent better than half my life wishing I had been aborted.
Not everyone who feels the way I do turns out like me; most of them get even, one way or another. Read Robert Ressler’s “Who Fights Dragons” to see what they do…..
None of that changes anything. The fact remains that you support abortation. And abortation is the killing of innocent children. It does not matter who I am or what I have done in my life. It does not matter who you are or what you have done in your life. Bottom line, abortation is murder. And you support that.
That is really all there is to it. This a black and white issue.
Killing is wrong.
Abortation is the killing of innocent children within the womb.
Anyone who believes that women should be allowed to choose to abort a baby is pro-aboration.
Angelmother, my concern here is the gap between what so-called “pro-lifers” believe about and and what they actually do for fetal life. You operate from John III, 16-21; I have tried to save children from the despair expressed in Ecclesiastes IV, 1-3, a passage “pro-lifers” never allude to. The humanity of every child depends on God acting through other humans. Sure, there’s the occasional Jesus or Buddha that comes along, but I have made it a point to give children I never wanted a chance for the life Ted Bundy et al. never had, whereas your people by and large don’t, because they can’t.
Caleb, having seen the RESPONSIBLE Right to Life blog, you from this point forward will operate in a new self-knowledge. How you justify your choices of action in the light of what you have learned about yourself will affect how you feel about yourself. Good luck with it.
As I have said before, you are simply trying to blur the issue, turn it around to try and make others feel bad about their own choices. Well, I have nothing to feel bad about. I am doing exactly what God calls me to do. And the simple fact is that a tatic such as the one you are using is only used by those who know they are being backed into a corner.
As I have said, abortion is wrong. Nothing you say will ever change that. Nothing.
i stand in support of caleb and others here who let their “yes be yes” and their “no be no”.
Mr. Gregory,
You are trying to defend your position that death through abortion is better than life. for those suffering oppression, especially without God in their life as their hope for redemption and justice, i’m sure they’d rather be dead or find an “easy” way out. is this why you spent so much time wishing your mother had aborted you? i trust in God and i see that good can come out of suffering.
Right now I’m reminded of the verses in 1 Peter 4:14-19:
If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.”
I, like Caleb, will never feel bad about my pro-life dais.
Best Regards,
~angel~
DEAR BRIAN
WELL DONE I HOPE THE WORLD CAN SOON BE PLASTERED WITH YOUR FABULOUS SNIPPET .
ABORTION IS THE SCOURGE OF THE WORLD AND HOW IRONIC THAT OBAMA IS NOW PUMPING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO OBLITERATE AFRICAN BABIES ….THEY ARE REALLY PUSHING ABORTION IN AFRICA …WHAT ARE THE CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS DOING ABOUT IT IN AFICA? ..WHICH HAS HUGE CONGREGATIONS ?
AS THE MOTHER OF MIXED RACE CHILDREN I HAVE SEEN SO MUCH ANTI BLACK AND MIXED RACE PRESSURE FROM THE POWERS THAT BE HERE IN THE U K .THE 1967 ABORTION ACT IS ABSOLUTELY ENTRENCHED WITH RACISM AND HATE FOR THE ETHNIC AND DISABLED PRE BORN BABY …GOD HELP US ALL
ANYONE AND ANYTHING THAT CAN SAVE PRECIOUS LITTLE LIVES ….THE FUTURE IS A ,WONDERFUL BONUS EVERY BABY SAVED IS A MIRACLE I BEG OF YOU STORM AFRICA WITH PRO -LIFE SUPPORT BEFORE THEY TOO GET ABORTIONISED LIKE EUROPE AND AMERICA SADLY HAS .THE WORLD IS BEING TOTALLY DECIMATED
WE NEED SOME MORE FR PAUL MARX’S WHAT A MASSIVE EXAMPLE THIS GOOD MAN IS
KEEP SPEAKING UP PRO -LIFERS
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WENDY WALKER U K
I think something very important has not been said that could clarify this issue between helping people and pro-lifers focusing on just saving babies.
Pro-lifers are not anti-helping children at the YMCA. I know a lot of pro-life people who help with the dying by spending time with them and comforting them – many if not all pregnancy resource centers have lot’s of programs to help parenting families learn parenting skills and have resources for thier children…. As a pro-lifer, I also am part of a marriage ministry and plan to help foster children in bad homes….
Pro-life is pro-good choices. We are against murder, slavery, abuse, stealing, etc. These are all bad choices that infringe on another person’s rights. You see, if this were a personal meeting- I’d high five the guy who is a Big Brother with the YMCA. The issue at stake is an issue of priorities. Right now, every day 4,000 innocent children have their lives snatched away in a very brutal, violent, sad procedure called abortion. This needs to stop. This problem is only getting worse. And mark my words, the more abortions we have in our world- the more you’re going to see family violence. Violence begets violence and mothers and fathers who abort are more likely to disregard the dignity of their child and possibly abuse them. Do you think that by killing children we can better other children’s lives? They are missing friends, future spouses, mentors, etc.
The world we live in will never be perfect- that is why we look forward to heaven. Jesus said that we need to serve the poor always- but at the same time, there will always be poor. There will always always always be suffering. The good thing is- suffering can be redemptive- it’s not the end of the world people. It certainly is better to suffer and get to know GOd through one’s difficulties than to be killed in abortion because someone doesn’t want us to suffer. Look people, everyone is going to suffer- that’s life. The best thing we can do is start with the basics. Respect all human life – from it’s beginning at conception until natural death.
If you think being a big brother and then supporting the killing of unborn children is good enough- let me tell you something. You are not following the guidance of the Holy Spirit- you are following the lies of the Evil one- I say this as a friend- not an enemy. Be ware of the voice of the Father of Lies. Philanthropy is something that pleasees the ego, self-sacrifice out of love for another is a gift to God. You must follow morals to do God’s work- abortion is murder…. Think about it.
Bernadette:
I clicked on your name and it led me to UWF Students for Life. What an awesome ministry! And I really like what you wrote: “self-sacrifice out of love for another is a gift to God”. Thank you for sharing.
Mr. Gregory, I encourage you to take a look at this website. On the right you will find a # of resources. Check it out.
Bernadette, the problem is that it’s almost always SOMEBODY ELSE who’s doing the work you ascribe to “pro-lifers.” The first “pro-life” demonstration they had in my town had 167 people in it– I counted. Among them, they had adopted exactly SIX kids, five of whom were adopted by a family whose income was well over $175,000. (By contrast, my family income at the time as a single father was around $10,000, or less than one-half the per capita income of that family). When 167 people who claim to be “pro-life” can only find room in their heart for only six people, there is a whole mindset at work.
“The “pro-life” focus is on the hereafter, but real babies need a focus on the here and now. As is pointed out in the RRTL blogsite, you win both ways– if the woman carries her baby to term, you’re a hero. If she miscarries, dies, or bears a baby who grows up to be the next Ted Bundy, it’s the will of God, and not your fault. The movement is constructed to make you a winner every time, but it does nothing for real humans. Might I point out that you get great comfort from pointing at others who take care of children, but you don’t? If you read my previous posts here, you have seen what I know everybody is capable of. So, why aren’t Caleb, angelmother, the good Rev. Bryan, you???
Because you can’t. YOu need to focus all your energy on “rescue,” because somebody needs to be rescued, but it’s not the fetus. So you simply cannot do what I’ve done, until you’ve worked out why you have to focus on the only portion of the spectrum of human life where you can wield no help at all– the part where only the mother can help or hurt the child she wants or doesn’t want.
One problem with what you say.
You don’t know me. You do not know who I am. I could run an orphanage in Haiti that just got a major influx of children because of the earthquake. I could missionary in Africa that takes care of thousands of HIV positive orphans. I could even be the guy you pass on th street or see at the busterminal or sits in the next cubicle where you work. You assume that you know me and angelmother and Bryan and the entire pro-life movement and you do not.
And that is the major problem right there. Pro-abortionist assume far too much. They assume they know what is best for the child they or someone they know is carrying. They assume that they can have a better life by taking another. They assume-or in this instance maybe pretend to not know-that the baby that is growing inside a woman’s womb is not life at all.
You speak of one of thse children growing up to be the next Ted Bundy. Well, as mentioned earlier, Ted Bundy killed between 28-36 women in his entire life. There are abortion doctors who kill more women than that in a year. Some maybe even more in a month. There are thousands of Ted Bundys out there right now. Those are the people we are trying to stop.
Mr. Gregory,
I think I’m getting too caught up in this particular conversation. I can no more assume anything about you than you can about me.
No one on earth can save the world — and no one can live up to the expectations you’ve presented. I am certainly not perfect, but I do the best I can and I pray a lot because I believe in the power of prayer. It’s worked in my life. And I serve from my heart with all my might.
Either you are that angry or you have a lot of passion for serving those less fortunate and you just don’t know what to do with it now. You have a choice you know. You can either spend the rest of your life complaining about what pro-lifers have NOT done in your eyes, or get out there and help them do it. You can choose to look at abortion for what it really is — termination of personhood in the womb — and put your time where your mouth is.
I wish you well…
2 Cor 9:6-15
Angel
angelmother~~ I’ve lived up to the expectations I’ve presented, and every single parent who has successfully raised a baby they never wanted to have has exceeded my expectations in terms of time, money and sacrifice. So, why shouldn’t “pro-lifers” be held to the same expectations for their intended object of rescue? I am sorry that it seems hard on you, but look at it this way:
If I were to be accepted as a “pro-lifer”, I wouldn’t have to spend a nickel of my money; learn anything new; change my daily routine; give up any of my time, my way of life, my TV viewing habits, my friends, or my possessions; or demonstrate any increase in talents, skills or knowledge– unless I wanted to. The only thing I would have to do would be to agree that human life starts at the moment of conception and that abortion is murder.
In other words, the bar is set pretty low for someone who wants to be or is a “pro-lifer.”
If on the other hand, I want to be a nurturer of human life or a real protector of it, I have to learn how to be a good parent, a cop, a teacher, a nurse, doctor, and so forth. In fact even in my volunteer roles I worked under the supervision of somebody who could advise me when things got rocky– like the time my second County Partner and his gang robbed my business, or when a 12-year-old kid with OCD continually disrupted my parent nurturing sessions with the 6-12-year-olds.
I can understand that you don’t have the energy to do the sort of stuff that I did, and that you have to settle for creating significance in your life by dedicating yourself to the one segment of existence where you can do absolutely nothing except sell a pregnant woman on a concept. But you are right in that it really gets my goat that you achieve all this wonderful PR and recognition and kumbaya high without actually working for it.
At one point I estimated I cost myself $70,000 in my IRA by spending the money for kids who needed more support instead of banking it. I’ve done this for 32 years, and you know what the community thinks of me? Nothing! They don’t have a clue what I’ve been up to, and when I asked nine of the best fathers that I knew to take on a kid that I couldn’t, every single one of them turned me down. I don’t get no respect, as the man used to say. You show up at a demonstration and get TV time; you call a bakery and they shut down their donations. I’d think more highly of “pro-lifers” if they had some calluses– a superlative track record for adoption, fostering, re-building America’s public schools. But they don’t, and I’m frigging jealous! I must admit, I wish I had your PR skills.
I’d like to have the feelings of righteousness that “pro-lifers” seek. But I have to settle for the ex-Little Brother who is in grad school; the one who got his DLS fines paid off, his license back, and connected with Vocational Rehabilitation (he has migraines and had just about lost all his teeth by age 21) to land a job with a lot of future promise; with the Little Brother who at the age of 24 is just starting to cope with his father’s sexual abuse; with the two who have followed their father into alcoholism; and I’m letting go of a paraplegic who still hasn’t figured out the world isn’t going to push his wheelchair forever.
All in all, your work is a heck of a lot easier and more personally rewarding, because you set your own standards, you set the level of effort, you set the goals, and the fetus never contradicts you. Real life doesn’t allow that luxury.
Caleb, if I weren’t amazingly in the ballpark about your level of care about human life versus your level of concern for human life, you would be in my face with statistics about all the stuff you’re already doing for real human beings– but you haven’t.
That just goes to confirm the thesis of the blog– that “pro-lifers” have this unnoticed and hitherto inexplicable chasm between how much they say they protect human life and how much they actually do to protect it. The reason they can’t care for it the way the parent of an unwanted child is supposed to is that they HAVE to use their energy to rescue themselves.
Rescue themselves from what? Well, I’ll lay out the clues: the victim they purport to rescue is wholly innocent and quite likely to grow up to be a world-class individual. The victim is beloved of God, incapable of sin, innocent of carnal desire, perfect in form and essence. In short, the person all of us would like to be. And what does the victim get rescued from? The very same thing all of us fear.
So, when you rescue a fetus, you identify it with you– you win a battle in saving yourself from Death. It’s Freudian, I know, but if you were more at ease with Death, you’d have a lot more energy for living children. And this is where you get trapped in the “pro-lifer” demographic– you might have a few variations from the mean, but not enough to put you outside the herd.
Sorry, but that’s the way it is.
Mr. Gregory,
You wrote: “I can understand that you don’t have the energy to do the sort of stuff that I did, and that you have to settle for creating significance in your life by dedicating yourself to the one segment of existence where you can do absolutely nothing except sell a pregnant woman on a concept. But you are right in that it really gets my goat that you achieve all this wonderful PR and recognition and kumbaya high without actually working for it.”
Your attitude is exactly why you have no case here. I have been very respectful to you and have asked you very simple questions. No one here has to prove anything — we are not here for ourselves! And I never asked for your resume. It is obvious that you have done so much for those less fortunate. And just because you feel no one else sees, God does. He’s the only one that matters.
You do not know me. You do not know anyone on this thread. You do not know every pro-life person in this world. I sense that you are a very frustrated person who has not been recognized for the service you have done. Now that you have made it fully known, I recognize it and thank you for your dedicated work.
This is off point and forgive me if I’m off base: You suggested to Caleb that if he were more at ease with death that he’d have a lot more energy for living children. I’d say he’s very at ease or has a peace with death. You said in a rather genial way that you put all your skills to work less out of Christian charity and more out of expiation for your sins in fathering. And that you might get to heaven yet. Since I believe there is only one way to heaven (through Jesus Christ and not by works alone) no wonder you are frustrated.
Anyways, the original point highlighted was the brochure that PP wrote in 1952. In plain writing it says “abortion kills the life of a baby AFTER it has begun”. Why are we talking about you??
In 1964, the right wing started its first big push to recapture control of America. It nominated Barry Goldwater at a convention where the delegates in one of their floor demonstrations used their cigarettes to burn holes in the suit of the sole African-American delegate, and they sent speakers around the country to warn everyone of the evils of Communism. I attended on in my town. The speaker condemned Walter Reuther, the head of the United Auto Workers, for having praised Communism and having expressed the hope that America would convert to a communist form of government.
Which I found very puzzling: why would the head of one of the most middle-class unions in the country want to see his members lose virtually everything they had gained? So I asked the speaker when Reuther had said that. “1932,” was the reply.
In 1932, the UAW might not have even existed. If it did, it was still fighting with management goons, being harassed by cops and the National Guard, and struggling to convince beaten-down workers that concerted action would bring them better conditions. It was also a year when the Depression had just about sunk to its lowest point, where 30% of Americans would be without a job, and those with one were being squeezed to work for less. In other words, an ideal time for anyone to suggest that some other system, ANY other system, even Communism, was probably better. In 1964 if Walter Reuther had said that, even his membership would have thought he’d gone off the deep edge, because the UAW had what it wanted and everything was working.
Nevertheless, the Right peddled a 32-year-old statement in order to convince the masses to vote for their version of government. They didn’t win over the intelligent ones.
The good Rev. Bryan has put out a 58-year-old statement from Planned Parenthood in which it said abortion is dangerous and abortion kills babies. Well, abortion WAS dangerous back then– since it was illegal, it was done ad hoc, and thousands of women died every year. As for “killing babies,” the concept of babyhood has evolved (oops, hope I’m not triggering something else here) with the vastly expanded knowledge of the origins of human life, fetal development and semiotics. Like a happy puppy, he found a bone to play with, but it’s not going to pass for prima facie evidence of the deviousness of Planned Parenthood. However, I am aware that this information is going to change any “pro-lifer’s” mind.
As for me not knowing you, you’re absolutely right, but as in the case of Caleb, you confirm in general if not in particulars by your silence what I posit about you. What I have said about you, him and “pro-lifers” in general is threatening enough that you have to deny it in order to protect yourself. This is understandable, but also a confirmation of the thesis. If this were a therapy session, and if you wanted to understand why you are so committed to rescuing fetal life, we would probably spend months working on the denial aspect. But it isn’t and we won’t. “You can’t make a man understand when his paycheck depends on not understanding.” –Upton Sinclair
As it stands, you are outside the Abortion Store and I have spent decades outside the Baby Store, and we’re not going to trade places.
Gregory,
There you go assuming again. I do not have to tell you anything I have done in my life. I have to prove nothing to you.
I cannot save myself. I am a dirty rotten no good scum of the earth just as bad as Bundy, Hitler, Stalin, abortion doctors, etc. sinner. If it weren’t for Christ in my life, I could be the next Ted Bundy. The next Hitler. The next name someone that is very evil.
As for why I am pro-life, there is no denial aspect. None wahtsoever. The Bible says all life is precious and a gift from God. And the Bible is 100%, undeniable fact. Thousands of years ago the Jews already understood that. They had no clue what an ultrasound machine was. They couldn’t have even imagined that in their wildest dreams. And yet, they had laws protecting unborn children. Think about that. As much as 8,000-12,000 years ago, people KNEW that a child inside of a woman’s womb was life. Was precious. Was in need of protection.
In closing, this line of conversation is over, Gregory. Any more post in this vein will be ignored by myself and I call others to do the same.
“Everybody that is for abortion has already been born.” ~Ronald Reagan 1980
Most pro-choice/pro-abortion campaigners now acknowledge that a feotus is a conscious living being with thoughts and feelings from very early in the pregnancy (the exact point is debated). They are no longer insisting that abortion is ridding oneself of a lifeless group of cells, they now argue that the life of an unborn baby is only valuable if the mother determines it is.
I work with teenagers raised in this cultural sentiment – they determine their value on how “wanted” they are by other people rather than celebrate their uniqueness and purpose.
My parents never planned my conception, I appreciate the sacrifices they made to raise me. No person can change the value of my life, not even my mother. The law dictates if you take my life from me you will receive a life sentence in prison. Therefore my life is worth the same as your life, regardless of what I have done with it or plan to do with it.
I am grateful I was born, I speak on behalf of the 200,000 babies who were killed in the UK last year, who will never be able to say the same.
Planned Parenthood has not changed since then. My best friend who is Pro”choice” even admitted that Abortion kills a baby,but still said that she is ok with it.
What if a mother shoots her 3 year old, is it a private matter? No, but since your preach “choice” than it should not be any of your business right. She chose to do it and therefore you should support her decision.
Hitler made the choice to kill 6 millions Jews,not including Catholics,The disabled and gypsies and anyone who did not fit this perfect race. Today, Abortionists choose to kill more than 1million babies daily. What is the difference? They both made the same decision. How can you be ok with Abortion,but not with the holocaust?
I pray everyday, that America and the whole world will wake up from reality and know the truth about Abortion and see life as a gift from God as precious. No one can take it away.
The abortion industry can do what they want,but I am not backing down from the movement,even if someone threatened me with my life,because it would be worth it. I would die a happy death in giving God glory.
Lord, Help those to who are blinded by “Pro-choice” language and open their hearts to know thy truth. “before, I formed you in your mother’s womb, I knew you, I consecrated you before all nations.” St.Gianna Maria and Maria Guadalupe,Pray for us.
Mommy Dear Poem: written during the 40 days for life last year
Mommy Dear
Mommy dear
Do not be scared
I want to see your pretty face
I can feel your heart beat close to mine
Mommy dear
Do not be afraid
I want to feel your touch
I love you just the way you are
Want to hear you call my name
Seeing you would make me smile
Mommy dear
Do not be Afraid
I will take away your pain
You are loved
By God and me
To be near you
In your arms
Mommy dear
Do not be afraid
I am waiting to see
You face to face
Do not take your life away
Mommy dear
Do not Afraid
To give me life
All of you are precious in his sight. You were wonderful and fearfully made in God’s image and likeness. Love and prayers.